Well, having joined the ATHEISM DEBUNKED BY UNITED MUSLIM UMMAH! group on Facebook out of my boundless curiosity (and due to encroaching boredom in the Christian group…), I guess I should have seen it coming… Never, however, in my worst nightmare could I imagine that I would run into two WOMEN who’d be saying what they were saying… I have a strong stomach, and I hardly every have crying sprees – well there was one female who made me consider getting a sick bucket and forced me to annihilate a perfectly new spare kleenex pack…
Print screens won’t do her justice, so you are welcome to witness our (very heated and extremely uncivilized, of course, as I’ve given up respecting people who don’t respect other people, and this monster was promoting child abuse) debate here. For the TL;DR readers out there, allow a few copy-pasted excerpts (names are not hidden since it’s originally a public group).
It started off with the original post describing Aisha’s wedding to Mohammed… One of the passages it has that I didn’t get a chance to comment upon is the following:
“If you think – may Allaah guide you – that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not marry any virgin other than ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her), and that all his other wives had been previously married, this will refute the notion spread by many hostile sources, that the basic motive behind the Prophet’s marriages was physical desire and enjoyment of women, because if that was his intention he would have chosen only those who were virgins and beautiful etc. “
Just a quick note on this… Besides this being written so poorly that it almost lacks sense, I would assume that it says Mohammed only married Aisha as a virgin and all his other wives were not. This implies that previously married women are NOT sexually attractive/beautiful (according to Islam, they’re not – only attraction is virginity and submissiveness to the husband), especially to a medieval illiterate brute… I call bullshit on this because sexual attraction is sexual attraction and virgin or not if the guy’s horny, he’s horny. Something tells me on his case that marrying a load of women just for the fun of it and no sexual desire is just, well, mildly put ‘untrue’…
Anyway, back to the fury-inducing part…
Some of the first comments went something like this (note – comments that are displayed in chunks are actually originally followed by one another. Separated comments are randomly selected in sequence of the conversation):
Vivek Saini Since u know everything.. Answer dis.. will u marry ur nine year old daughter to an old man .. if thats wat Allah comes and says in ur dream?Sinchi Kodo allah don’t say thatVivek Saini //He saw a dream about marrying her. It is proven in al-Bukhaari from the hadeeth of ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to her: “You were shown to me twice in a dream. I saw that you were wrapped in a piece of silk, and it was said, ‘This is your wife.’ I uncovered her and saw that it was you. I said, ‘If this is from Allaah then it will come to pass.’” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, no. 3682)// .. Well.. no comments..Sinchi Kodo and??Leah InShade 1. Allah SAID THAT, so you’re a liar for DENYING it.2. AND – please answer the question: would you marry off your 9 years old daughter to an old man, if Allah came to you in your dream and told you to?
To which she answered, slyly, that she was not the prophet… (As if Mohammad KNEW he WAS a prophet BEFORE it all, allegedly, happened to him…). Later on, one more woman showed up saying something like this (random excerpts):
Ghazala Muslimah a girl when she reaches puberty is allowed to be married in islam
Ghazala Muslimah child marriages are not forbidden in islam
Sinchi Kodo in my country the age of marriage is 18
Ghazala Muslimah we are supporting child marriage bcz its our right and who do u think u are to say we should go against the law made by allah
Ghazala Muslimah u all are sich….bcz u guys dont gt married thts y u guys resort other means…likes having sex with animals
Ghazala Muslimah whteva its about…if u call us sexual perverts cz we marry our child…thn u guys are wht? beastility legalized? sounds sane frm which angel…u mad
Ghazala Muslimah US Allows sodomy
Leah InShade Wow, bestiality… Really… You know what, even if that MYTH was anywhere near truth (and it isn’t) – I think I’d much rather have a man fuck a sheep than MY OWN UNDERAGE DAUGHTER. And you both are NOT WOMEN and NOT MOTHERS if you can dare say that underage forced marriage is a good thing for ANY reason…
Ghazala Muslimah u guys screw up anythyng tht u gt ur hands on
Ghazala Muslimah except marrige u think everthyng is good
Leah InShade AND WOMEN LIKE YOU SCREW UP THEIR CHILDREN.
Ghazala Muslimah mad ppl u westerners are
Leah InShade you disgust me.
Ghazala Muslimah u urself are disgusting…cz u like ur daughters being screwed by every man except gtting thm married
Ghazala Muslimah if i am child abuser/…u are prostitute producers
Riccardino Tiamo that pic on your profile, i feel sorry for that little girl
Ghazala Muslimah if u hv prblems u gt ur daughters screwed in bars and discs by weirdos and take care off there illegitimate kids
Ghazala Muslimah and we muslims resperct our book more than any damn organisation of this world
Ghazala Muslimah homosexcuality is ok…bt child marriage is sin…marriage in any way is isn for u guys
Ghazala Muslimah yes…child marriage is allowed, bt consummation is only after pubertyu
Ghazala Muslimah i love allah and muslims and shariah
Leah InShade You’re a disgusting monster, or a troll. I hope you’re just a troll. I sincerely do. I refuse to believe that there exists a SINGLE WOMAN on this planet capable of saying what YOU are saying. Not one.
Leah InShade Islamic imams marry off young girls to rich men for 1 hour or two hours, so that they can have SEX, then they annul the marriage – how’s that NOT prostitution?
Ghazala Muslimah rape…is the worst crime…prostitution is whn mothers like u dress their daughter like barbie dolls for men to take pleasures in thm
Ghazala Muslimah marriages with the intention of divorce is not marriage it is prostitution and rape
Ghazala Muslimah if sm1 goes and practises smthyng outside shariah i cant say cz he is an imaam so he is doing the gud thyng
Ghazala Muslimah yes…marriage of 6 yrs and below or above is allowed…only consummation is allowed after puberty
Ghazala Muslimah thts hw u are born and thts hw ur daughters are born and thts all gud in ur life the 4 letter wrd
Ghazala Muslimah YES!!! CHILD MARRIAGE IS ALLOWED IN ISLAM…. we muslims do marry our daughters when they are children….but consummmation is only after puberty…and it shall keep going like this……forever n ever…:)
Leah InShade It also permits fondling a toddler, sticking the dick between a toddler’s thighs and touching of genitalia by man…
Sinchi Kodo The father should not give a minor daughter in marriage except in a case where he thinks it is in her best interests. […]
Michael Peat Wow, that’s amazing. Most girls do not yet have the requisite hip spacing ratio to safely give birth in the first two years of puberty. No wonder so many young girls are dying in childbirth in Muslim countries.
. . . Wives have the same rights as the husbands have on them in accordance with the generally known principles. Of course, men are a degree above them in status
Ghazala Muslimah i love to obey my hubby…may be you like a wife who gvz a damn to u …may u be blessed with a wife who disobeys and disrespects u
Leah InShade A menstruating 9 year old girl (and puberty at times happens very early in age) is NOT to be had sex with and bear babies. Neither is a 12 year old. Nor 13.
Leta Bezdecheck Animal sex has NOTHING to do with homosexuality, you moron. Google says it is Muslims who keep looking up that nasty stuff anyway.
Leah InShade Ghazala – that actually IS THE POINT. Puberty IS NOT fixed in age. Which means that any unfortunate girl of 9 who menstruates is open for CHILD RAPE.
Ghazala Muslimah open for marriage not rape or prostitution as ur daughters…:))
Leah InShade Ghazala forcing a CHILD TO HAVE SEX, marriage or not, IS RAPE.
Rafi Aziz Puberty does not make you an adult. Puberty is not a magic day, it takes years to complete…
Ghazala Muslimah yes…9 is adult if menstruating…in islam
Leah InShade Also, very interesting to me, do you think it is OKAY for a 10 year old to GIVE BIRTH?
Ghazala Muslimah ray go marry ur daughter to animals so tht they can have gud sexual life
Leah InShade She sincerely thinks that a guy doing a sheep is a WORSE thing somehow than a guy doing a 6 year old girl and getting her pregnant…
Ghazala Muslimah after puberty…..u can have as many children as u want….tell me at what age u had first illegal sex in skool with ur boyfren and hw many abortions u hv had to conceal ur pros life
Ghazala Muslimah you tell me wht age u were sexually used by ur byfren at what age?
Leah InShade do you think it is OKAY for a 10 year old to GIVE BIRTH? yes or no.
(which part of “I had NEVER done ANYTHING illegal in my life is hard for you to grasp?…)
(This 10 year old giving birth vs her copy/pasting “at what age…” thing over and over again went on for a while…)
Leta Bezdecheck She can’t asnwer that question correctly because it will either make her religion look bad (it is bad) or it will make her look stupid (um…)
Ghazala Muslimah u know u suffering frm tht intense disease…go gt urself checked
Ghazala Muslimah david…dont worry about my hubby think about ur wife….may be she must be njoying herself with the dog u have a home more than she njoys u…:P
Ghazala Muslimah david….ask ur pros daughtr….wether she njoys an animal more or a man…. and ask her if she njoy women more….so much confusion…go ask her…and have good sextales to listn frm her
Sinchi Kodo ok iwill answer you . physically it’s no good to a girl have 10 to have kids
Sinchi Kodo and i’m so proud to be a muslim
Leah InShade Sinchi – thank you for your honest answer.
Now, are pubescent girls (some of whom 9, or 10… or 13…) and their husbands allowed to have birth control after marriage?
At which point Sinchi also fell silent… because the answer is, obviously, “no”, and the consequences of it are often something like this:
So you can see kind of how it went (save a lot of name-calling 🙂 ). I thought I’d share a couple of quick thoughts on the whole matter, just to have them handy if ever needed.
1. I don’t care what kind of law – Sharia or secular or any other – will say anywhere that it is OKAY for CHILDREN to be RAPED. I don’t like kids too much, and highly doubt wanting any of my own; however, if I had a kid, I’d scratch any horny pedophile’s eyes out and tear his testicles off with my bare hands if he were to approach my kid (or ANY kid) below the age of 13 (menstruation or not) with any sexual advancements.
I say 13 not because I condone any old fuck getting it on with an underage girl. I say 13 because sometimes by that age some of the girls mature enough to handle intercourse. Sometimes they go for it. However, it much more often happens with someone close to her own age and with her consent (in OUR world here).
2. The world I live in has underage sex, rape (of any kind) and underage prostitution all illegal (With the exception of Churches and their institutions…). Even the criminals in prison place child molesters at the very bottom of hierarchy, and they better watch out for violence and abuse that even violent criminals have enough decency to condemn them to for their horrific crime.
The world that troll lives in (if she’s for real, or even a she…) puts underage and child sex together with lack of consent by the child (who most of the times isn’t even told anything, let alone asked) and calls it ‘marriage’ and condones it… Except, it makes it no less of a child rape than what’s happening to the altar boys…
3. If I had to vote for legalizing gay marriages, prostitution AND zoophilia OR legalizing child marriages, I won’t even bat an eyelid at choosing ALL three of the former. Why? Well, I hope homosexuality one needs no explanation, so doh. Prostitution has always been and will always be. Driving it underground (like light drugs) does nothing – it clutters the system with unnecessary bureaucratic bullshit and doesn’t allow tax revenue. On top of it, when legal, conditions and check-ups will be provided for adult workers, proper medical care and legal protection – this alone would drive illegal prostitution rates down. Finally, I’d rather see a guy fuck a goat than a kid. Besides, zoophilia may seem yuck to you, but it’s stigmatized for one reason only: the potential of transmitting diseases from animal to man and their spread. So frankly speaking if exclusively either sheep or little babies give someone a hard-on (which is normally a good reason to lock someone up into a mad house), I’d beg them to get a bunch of condoms and a bunch of sheep – NOT a bunch of kids. Because, man, FUCK the sheep!
4. Assuming Ghazala is for real and has babies, I’d urge local authorities (if I knew where she lived) to take her daughters away (if any) and force-sterilize that woman. She is unfit to be a mother, and unfit to be called a human after saying what she said.
5. On a final note, her insistence that all Western women ever do is fuck around (well, good news for all those poor Western women who can’t get laid – you’ve simply been asleep and all the while someone was quietly shagging you from behind, so cheer up! 😀 ), prostitute their daughters and themselves and get wet at the mere sight of a shiny German Shepherd or a donkey dick…(no I actually mean an actual DONKEY here – the animal…)
First of all, let’s consult some facts:
Save the Children found that, annually, 13 million children are born to women under age 20 worldwide, more than 90% in developing countries. In the developed world, of the remaining 10%, 494,357 births by teenage women occur in (guess?…) THE most religiously loud and devoted country of the West… Yup – the US of A. Followed by one of the most religiously devoted ones in Europe – Poland, with a whooping number of 30,413 (no, I’m not missing a digit in that number…). Germany is a close 3d (huge Muslim population and all…).
So guess whose daughters are whoring up from an earlier age?…
That being said, they may be married off, of course. Or sold to prostitution. Or married for an hour then divorced after sex… Yeah, but of course it’s only the secular Western world that abuses women and kids…
It may well be availability of contraception and sexual education (you can see how well ‘abstinence only’ version serves America…) that actually play a bigger role, as well as family planning and general understanding of health implications of early pregnancies, availability of general education and level of affluence. It may be, however, that while most teenagers (and ALL kids) actually won’t have sex, unless forced, and start later in life, or when emotionally mature enough (plus they use protection – not always, but for the most part), in those ‘developing countries’ they ARE forced. Majority of them are forced. And no they don’t WANT to – marry or have sex. Kids normally don’t.
So while we infidels over here actually send our kids to school, have mutual-respect based marriages (hopefully 🙂 ) for the most part, or at least mutual attraction based ones, that are carried out through mutual consent by two adults, over there under Sharia star we have legalized pedophilia…
I’m yet to see, besides a few ‘civilian’ cases and adult industry workers, many women get horny for animals… Or many men get involved with them… What kind of a cave did that woman crawl out of? Maybe she didn’t know that animal sex most often searched up by IPs located in Islamic countries (Pakistan topping that list) HMMM…
I also don’t get the accusation of perpetual sex-raves… People vary in their sexual appetite and habits, doh… Some never want any, some want some all the time, and most of us are somewhere in between. As far as my stance goes, I don’t care what goes on between two consenting adults of any gender/number in the privacy of their bedrooms. I only hope they use proper protection and go for regular check ups. Other than that – what type of people they want to play with, how, how often and for how long is none of my business. Neither it is the business of anyone else, except for those directly involved in the process.
Some people might throw some cultural relativism at me at this point, saying “oh but it’s their tradition, blah blah blah…”. To that I say FUCK YOU. And your relativism. There is NO circumstance under which CHILD ABUSE is OKAY. NONE. As if poverty, poor hygiene, nutrition and dire conditions were not already more than enough for most of those kids. The very LAST thing I want apologetics go ahead and try here is justifying CHILD RAPE, forced marriages and forced teen (or even pre-teen) pregnancies.
Oh and before rape begins, even if it is offset to after menstruation starts, molestation is still fine – toddlers are fair game, too…
On the final note, allow me to quote here a summary of the Koran by someone on Facebook that I think does much better justice to the subject:
With regard to the story of her marriage, the pedophile (allah be shit on) had grieved over the death of the Mother of the Believers Khadeejah, who had supported him and stood by his side, and he called the year in which she died The Year of Sorrow. Then the pedophile (allah be shit on) married Sawdah, who was an older woman and was not very beautiful; rather he married her to console her after her husband had died and she stayed among mushrik people. Four years later the pedophile (allah be shit on) married ‘Aa’ishah (allah be shit on by her), and he was over fifty.
Perhaps the reasons for the marriage were as follows:
1 – He had a wet dream about fucking a kid.
2 – The characteristics of the lack of intelligence and idiocy that the pedophile (allah be shit on) had noticed in ‘Aa’ishah even as a small child, so he wanted to marry her so that he could be able to fuck her and others would not transmit reports of what he did and said. In fact, as stated above, she was a wetness in his sick dreams.
3 – The love of the rape victim for her father Abu Bakr (may allah be shit on), and the persecution that Abu Bakr (may allah be shit on) allowed his daughter to suffer proves he is an asshole.
It may be noted that among the pedophiles (allah be shit on) victims were those who were young and old, the daughter of his sworn enemy, the daughter of his closest friend. One of them occupied herself with raising orphans, whose parents were killed by the pedophile and his followers (allah be shit on)… another distinguished herself from others by fasting and praying qiyaam a great deal… Actually she was trying to commit suicide by starving to death and was praying to the xian fake god to please kill her and put her out of her misery. They represented all kinds of people, through whom the rapist messenger of allaah (may allah be shit on) was able to set out a way for the muslims to keep their womens in check and how to deal properly with all kinds of people.
[See al-Seerah al-Nabawiyyah fi Daw’ al-Masaadir al-Asliyyah, p. 711].
With regard to the issue of her being young and just an innocent chold… your confused about that, you should note that the the victim (allah be shit on for allowing it to happen) grew up in a hot country, the Arabian Peninsula. Which means shite….
Some idiots actually believe that usually in hot countries adolescence comes early and people marry early. This is how the people of Arabia were until recently. Moreover, women vary greatly in their development and their physical readiness for marriage. but in no way would a nine year old be considered old enough to fuck even if you married her with the permission of her sick demented parents and with their blessings.
If you think allaah guides you – then you are a bigger idiot than the pedophile prophet (allah be shit on) did marry virgins other than ‘Aa’ishah (allah be shit on by her), and that all his other wives had been previously married, this will refute the notion spread by many hostile sources, that the basic motive behind the pedophile’s (allah be shit on) marriages was physical desire and enjoyment of women, because if that was his intention he would have chosen only those who were virgins and beautiful etc. but to the great pedophile a good fuck is above all…
Such slandersous things such as the truth about the pedophile prophet (allah be shit on) by honest men and others of character, are indicative of their ability to find truth and that the law’s of religion that he brought from allaah, is allaah buncha shite, but the believers try to find ways to beautify and uplift the cult of islame with disregard to issues that are related to sharee’ah and other fucking idiocies.
And Allaah is the source of weakness. May allaah fuck off so peace may be upon our lands and the pedophile muhammad (may allah be shit on) and his family and companions die and be removed from our memories forever and ever….”